HTP/LTP general questions

[Highpersonix]

Hi,

after my issue with forced LTP was somewhat resolved, i still don't get why some fixtures have pre-set HTP or LTP channels (and where that is defined, looking at the qxw). The fixture i'm referring to is the showtec PAR56 and i want to assign simple basic colours to buttons on the button grid. How does that work?

[plugz]

Hello,

somewhat resolved

What's not resolved ?

why some fixtures have pre-set HTP or LTP channels

Intensity channels (this means master dimmer and R/G/B channels) are HTP by default, all the other channels are LTP by default. cf documentation: http://qlcplus.org/docs/channeleditor.html

The fixture i'm referring to is the showtec PAR56 and i want to assign simple basic colours to buttons on the button grid. How does that work?

I don't understand what you want to do. What's "the button grid"?

[Highpersonix]

By Button grid, i mean the virtual console -
What is not resolved is that i can't just assign three buttons to three scenes that make things go red, green, blue. I want three scenes that exclude each other, not add their DMX values. I made another video, maybe you can tell me what i'm doing wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9idxE7e6-g

What i want to happen is that when i press BLUE, everything else switches off. Last button pressed wins. How can i do that?

greetz

HP

[plugz]

Have you tried putting all the buttons in a solo frame ?

[plugz]

Also, about your video:

Are you building QLC+ from sources ? Because if so, then you can set the R/G/B channels to LTP, it works now.

[Highpersonix]

The bugfix came too late for me to use it on my last run, so i went with windows/dmxcontrol instead. (Which does what i want seamlessly, but isnt open source and does not come with the awesome support i'm experiencing by bickering here.)

If what i'm doing (force LTP) is just a workaround, i would like to know what the correct procedure for what i'm attempting to do is.. Since the fixed colour setting on this fixture is LTP, why are the three individual channels HTP? Isn't HTP/LTP supposed to be for merging conflicting DMX values from different sources? I'm obviously doing something no one has even considered before, hence the amount of time this issue took to be discovered.

So i'm

a) doing it wrong, or
b) you're all nuts and i'm right, which is far less likely and something that i need a lot more data for to believe in.

So, how do i make a light fixture change its colour at the push of a button?

Greetz and ongoing thanks for the support,

HP

edit: this is what i did.

http://www.soulhuntress.de/blog/wp-cont ... s3_131.jpg
http://www.soulhuntress.de/blog/wp-cont ... s3_132.jpg

[pengumaniac]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8791&p=38596#p38596

even more interesting, refer to:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8705&p=38373#p38373
i hate the need of crosspostings, but my example should work and covers at least 4 cases at once:

+ the mess in "add" cases is well done - it is my fault if I can't think right and cannot estimate...

PS: @David - what you (& Massimo) have done to "forceLTP" was IMO quite well.
Do you think it is possible to do thus occasional only to all membered HTP channels? only until ButtonRelease on Flash...

at least: don't trust the monitoring faders - I know this needs some "duty cycles" to develop that ultimative...

[pengumaniac]

At least - Step II.
If I am able to switch that "hidden" option - per script to a toggle button on VC, we are here

Jano should know the right one

[Highpersonix]

I'm sorry, how does anything you posted relate to my questions? I neither understand anything posted in the links you gave nor how a pic of the GrandMA helps here? Are you in the wrong thread?

[pengumaniac]

stop, you 'll be advised to follow, use & experiment with that qxw file I've posted back then...

but my example should work and covers at least 4 cases at once:

what was wrong?
As we are under active development - return your feelings here, please

[Highpersonix]

I still don't understand how a pic of a console answers the questions

"How is what i am trying to do (making R G B color buttons that exclude each other) normally achieved with this program?"

leading to

"Am i trying to use the program for something / in a way it's not designed for?"

and finally, purely philosophically,

"Why are there channels that behave differently?"

[pengumaniac]

HTP is just the brightness in my eyes
read - think - I want you to catch where you're lost...
then we can meet again...
such as

HTP? Isn't HTP/LTP

and too much useless TMI isn't very helpful to me, to get to your point of view....

btw.: I may be allowed to serve development remarks here and then, who mustn't be commented, prematurely...
last question for tonight: is "natural" LTP identical to "forced" LTP?
All in all "HTP/LTP general questions"

[Highpersonix]

Hi,

this kind of behaviour is exactly what i find off-putting in the open source community: there's always someone who will act superior and condescending to newbies, completely undermining everything FLOSS stands for. Every n00b and user deserves respect for trying. Your "Guru or GTFO" attitude is something i have experienced many times as a mere user in many an open source software and honestly, i find it disgusting.

I will try and message someone else to help me with my issue. Please keep your riddler shit to yourself and stop alienating the userbase. You're hurting this project.

HP

[Deece]

As plugz said, you need to put the buttons in a Solo frame. (Frame with a red surround)
Make sure each Scene has the RGB sliders ticked (selected at top of each slider), and only the wanted slider at 255. The others at 0.

[plugz]

can you tell me the correct work flow for what i'm attempting (switching simple scenes, one fixture, to R/G/B)

There are thousands of way to do it, there's no "one correct workflow".
A simple way to achieve this: In the virtual console, put the buttons controlling the scene in a SOLO FRAME.

and why qlcplus treats these channels as HTP?

R/G/B channels are Intensity channels. When running 2 scenes, let's say a scene "red" and a scene "green", the result will be a mix of the two, yellow light. This is the default behavior of QLC+, maybe it's not what you're accustomed to, but some people may prefer this behavior.

I have some experience with DMXcontrol, which does nothing like that, and would like to know what's the difference and why.

I don't know DMXControl.

I am used to HTP/LTP happening at the last possible stage to resolve conflicts in the DMX protocol when using more than one DMX source on one universe, not in a console program.

Well it's the same here, except built-in the program. Several functions may want to act on a channel, and allowing HTP or LTP channels means you can choose the conflict resolving behavior you want, on each channel.


So for you 3 questions of before:

"How is what i am trying to do (making R G B color buttons that exclude each other) normally achieved with this program?"

answered I guess

"Am i trying to use the program for something / in a way it's not designed for?"

You should be able to do anything you want, you just have to get the hang of it

"Why are there channels that behave differently?"

Because then you can do anything you want. If you prefer to have all you channels to have LTP behavior, then you can.


Also please don't be rude.


And @pengumaniac, please try to stop talking in riddles, I rarely understand what you try to say. You sound like yoda. Stay on topic, be clear and explicit.

[Highpersonix]

Ok, solo frames solved it.

So, solo frame(Button 1 XOR Button2 XOR Button n) AND ButtonsOutside, when it comes to HTP ?

That means i can also put a master over the solo frame, a master over everything HTP, etc.

Interesting behavior: If i put my three functions R,G,B into a solo frame and then again outside of a solo frame, the solo frame takes precedence. I have to program another three functions R2, G2 and B2 with the same values. Intended?

Fiddling even more: Putting an LTP value channel (in this case, strobe) on Flash does not reset it to zero after releasing the button. Am i doing it wrong?

Greetz

HP

[pengumaniac]

superior and condescending - me? truely? shouldn't be heard so...
respect is always fine (look into mirror, pls), the ability to listen to is another good virtue.
I try to lead to "active brains" - there's not eternally same chance again and again (I'm too sometimes not calm enough, to tell sth. same twice)
Active brain needed, interest - that's better as "to learn by rote" (That was in school long ago!)

FLOSS I can't translate, maybe some other words better so, too.
As you can see, I try to "work" here in a foreign language, maybe sometimes dict.cc is wrong, too.
"2 times" translation needed to get through to Massimo or Jano, to plugz-David I don't know exactly - french?

Riddles if truely nonunderstandable, feel free to ask, and please don't get mad at once.
In my case perhaps a view on
search.php?author_id=385&sr=posts
might help sometimes, too. I better not must try that on Massimos activity...

Your:

Fiddling even more: Putting an LTP value channel (in this case, strobe) on Flash does not reset it to zero after releasing the button. Am i doing it wrong?

ROFLMAO, mine (So Aug 16, 2015 1:00 am ):

All in all, that tweak switch HTP to LTP isn't sympathic to me...
spoken with Espi together ~37 years real time, live mixing practice approved experience
vs.
"ever lasting LTP" theorisms and questions like "should we have a second function on release flash" or more complex handlings

on 4.9.2 just since a few days,
we're right better now, if there's running a chaser besides Flash: fading activity on channel "resets" right way.
But static, if I switch to another "radio"-button before I release Flash, what should happen then???

open source community:
Must we share our things & thoughts about progress strictly divided into "Software Development" and "Feedback and Ideas" and maybe more hidden areas?
2x efforts, more repetition, crosslinks...and when I'm there, I forgot half I'd like to say!

who the fuck should that all lead and moderate? Massimo sure has seriouser things to do...
should we have anymore "beginners corner" than tut's, videos a.s.o.? a colour system for "the dilatories in gaily coloured chalk"?

and thanks for the flowers, here one of my dried as gift for you:

--,-´--{@

I sometimes got some for good lighting jobs - it's a bit bleached already...
I' not Yoda, not so snappy - but "the picture" is fine to understand.

Massimo, plugz-David & Jano are still the rulers, I'm not so willingly in stagelight!

[mcallegari]

Guys please calm down.
There are people from all over the world in this forum and for some, writing in english is difficult.

Manfred, as I've written to you in private, it is difficult to understand what you write.
Maybe that's the reason why sometimes your posts seems a bit like "I am superior".

Please try to stay on topic. For example the Gentoo link in your last post has nothing to do with this thread.
Also, please do not comment each and every post just for the sake of it, especially if they don't add any value to the discussion. This is an example.
Nobody forces you and it creates only confusion.

Please don't lead to me to move your user into a moderation queue and ask you to elaborate/improve each and every of your posts.

By the way, FLOSS is a well known acronym while "ma scanco" that you have written many times has no meaning at all. At least for me.

[pengumaniac]

Thanks for feedback, I see...
Edit:
ACK(=handshake), we're in business now, apologies accepted besides...
"FOSS"==well_defined, but i needed "FLOSS" - to learn as "SYN"
http://www.urbandictionary.com
http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch
and some more I have in mind, but if I cannot find within 3 levels, then - it is gone, no longer dude...
David was a little bit quicker - but that's understandable by knowlegde of your personal, "Massimo's Grand TODO list" i could consider...

Don't spread too wide, if the engine can't serve, I'm mechanic. trust me...

That's a good level, were we can continue.
You all should know, I'm reading "reverse"(=last posts first) and when a great theme isn't solved within 7 "magic" steps I can't follow up, that is regular, "human kind"...

@M. Hopefully no need to "regulate" my posts, pls the "JMS"-thing bring together, I couldn't correct it lately --- if time ...
Feel free, if you can catch me here and then, to "cut out" what's tooooo strong for n00bs - without of any need to question back, remarks...
If you couldn't follow up within 5 min. of course, thats not worth the time - but I'll be glad, if you could keep my quintessences, somewhere "under the great staple" - I'm sure you'll get reminded of some words as time goes by. If weed (real weed) gets toooo big, you can't control anymore....

Then we can continue were you didn't understand me, maybe "just right in time"
You once told me before: "not too much privates", but where can we meet then? mustn't answer that here right on. I don't want distract too much...

Antique SCANCO could not FLASH LTP, we will get that right!!!

Hopefully must not repeat any love letters like these here & each time on Frank('s)
but that's already all mode "--verbose^3". Calm down @ALL ...
After thinking about - continue there, thats my way to find a solution, thats hopefully well done conversation:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8928

PPS: such as EBDS we should keep warm and save, no RTFM (here F==Fine), please! Telegraphic Orders are almost enough to serve "blind" support, too over telephone line, if right messages & contents can be cleared

[Highpersonix]

We could, for clarification purposes, use german instead, some say i am quite good at it.