Fixture for American DJ Entour Venue

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EXELBONSAI
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Hello friends of the good light !!!

Here, as in another topic, my fixture announced the brand new American DJ Entour Venue Fog Machine.
http://adjmedia.s3-website-eu-west-1.am ... nue_DE.pdf

I have allowed to insert some macros for quick access.
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Ask for info if I did everything right. (is my first fixture)

Have fun


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Fixture für American-DJ-Entour Venue

Hallo Freunde des guten Lichtes !!!

Hier nun wie in einem anderem Thema angekündigt mein Fixture zur brandneuen American-DJ-Entour Venue Nebelmaschine.
http://adjmedia.s3-website-eu-west-1.am ... nue_DE.pdf

Habe mir erlaubt für den schnellen Zugriff einige Makros einzufügen.
Bitte um Info ob ich alles richtig gemacht habe. (ist ja mein erstes Fixture )

Viel Spaß
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GGGss
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I make use of the smokers in an other fashion:

Instead of having all those cue's and buttons: simply have 2: the smoke on/off toggle and a flash to 100% button for instant blast effect.

I have learned that best smoke results are achieved through the choise of ventilation versus amount of intensity (depending on the topology / make of you smoker : fi. hazer vs fazer vs ...) So this means that ventilation and intensity are more influenced by environmental factors (in/outside, temperature, humidity, throw depth, time-to-disappear, ...)
Knowing that ventilation and intensity are rather fixed to the venue you are in, the only thing important is the amount of smoke present at a certain time. -> Tadaa: Pulse-width settings ;-)

This is the 'on' duration versus the total time (PWM).

See project in annex.

You create a chaser with the on and off cue's for your smoker.
f.i.: 30s on 30s off = 50% PWM

In the ideal world you could use the feedback feature to set the PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) - but current version of QLC does not permit you to set the duration of only one step in a chaser / sequence...
Have a slider (rotary) setting the duration for the 'on'-chaser step. Limit the slider in it's min and max value (versus the time of the off-chaser step)
Through the use of a feedback channel - feed this value to a speed dial and influence the 'on'-time inside the chaser. (in the example I tried to but could not)

If you want to control intensity of the smoke ... I use a fader in submaster mode inside the same frame where you call the on-off chaser... See project and verify through simple mode.

(When there are Co2's also involved (or extra FOH smokers) - put them under the same flash button).

With this simple setup you have only 2 controls to keep an eye on: slider which controls pulse-width and a flash for effect button.
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All electric machines work on smoke... when the smoke escapes... they don't work anymore
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Hello GGGss

Thank you for your comprehensive answer.!!!
It is free to anyone to use the macros have these times just created with synonymous so that the user can easily control over 4 created slider.



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Hallo GGGss

Danke für deine Umfassende Antwort. !!!
Es liegt ja jedem frei die Makros zu benutzen habe diese einfach mal mit erstellt auch so das der User einfach über 4 erstellte Schieberegler steuern kann.
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Not accepted. This fixture is in German.
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EXELBONSAI
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Oooopss ..............
Sorry, I change the days
I want to do something good: roll:
Birchy
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Thanks for the workspace example GGGss - it was a good one for me to understand and learn how loopback and submasters can be used for control.

A good haze has a long hang time, and is less influenced by dissipation time, so the problem I see with your PWM inspired approach is that if I pump 10 seconds of haze every 10 seconds or 60 seconds of haze every 60 seconds, the chances are the end result is the same (and would be way, way too much for the venues I play at).

The attached workspace shows my solution. It would be much better if there was a way to change the duration of different steps individually, but since this is not possible in QLC+ 4 I just created multiple chases - they all use the same timer to set the overall length of the off-time, but the on-time can be selected to be either the same, 1/2, 1/4 ,1/8 or 1/16 of the off-time. In conjunction with adjusting the pump and fan output, I think this should give enough control over the effect. I maintained your flash effect but split it to fan and haze separately - they could be easily re-linked. I used presets for the timer in preference to a tap button and/or dial as I think it is a little simpler.

You could also do 1-in-10, 1-in-20, 1-in-5 etc. chases, but since the timer does not have equivalent multiplication factors the off-time would not be consistent between the chases.

Another shortcoming I see for using a remote slider to set the speed dial absolute value is that the max value is limited to 90 seconds - I would have liked it to have been up around 200 seconds or more to match the inbuilt timer of the hazer, which I know works well (I typically have an on-time of 10-30 seconds with an off-time of 200 seconds, depending on the room). Not a big deal - I've just noticed you can still make a preset with a longer time than the max absolute value of the timer slider. I think I will use this for a while to see if the fine tuning that you get with the timer slider is necessary, or if presets are sufficient.

In my implementation I hide the two submaster sliders (colored grey) outside the frame borders since they are not directly used (and should not be - they are only there to link the remote loopback controls to the Hazer).

Cheers,
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