Hi @all,
deleting a Device from a Scene or Sequence doesnt work every Time. In most Cases the deleted device is Back in the List after editing another Scene or Sequence.
A Workaround that sometimes work is to delete the Device, Save and Restart QLC! But this works only sometimes!
The hardest thing i had: Deleting 2 Devices from a Sequence, Save and Restart QLC. The 2 devices are gone. Restart Windows, all ok too. But next day after power on the 2 devices are back in this sequence...
The same Error occures, when i delete a "function" in a sequence. For example: I use Tilt, Pan and Shutter - Later i want to remove Tilt and Pan - Same problem like deleting a device. After editing someone else, the tilt and pan is selected again!
Regards,
CoS
Delete Devices from a Sczene (QLC+ 4.11.0)
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CoS2000
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Hi,
i found a way to reproduce it - Make a Sequence with 1 Device. Copy this Sequence and add another device to the copy - After that both Sequences have 2 devices
Same way you can reprocuce my error. Make a Sequence with 2 Devices. Copy this Sequence and delete 1 Device from the copy - After that both Sequences have only one Device
I think thats the Problem. Sometimes he changes values in the original, when changing values in copys! I think copys are not independently from originals. When you work on a show you often copy things and at the end you have produced more and more problems! At the End (because i rename the copys) i doesnt know what was copys and so you cant repair it.
I can sent you a homemade example, but its unnecessary because you can reproduce it easily by yourself!
Greetings from Germany
i found a way to reproduce it - Make a Sequence with 1 Device. Copy this Sequence and add another device to the copy - After that both Sequences have 2 devices
Same way you can reprocuce my error. Make a Sequence with 2 Devices. Copy this Sequence and delete 1 Device from the copy - After that both Sequences have only one Device
I think thats the Problem. Sometimes he changes values in the original, when changing values in copys! I think copys are not independently from originals. When you work on a show you often copy things and at the end you have produced more and more problems! At the End (because i rename the copys) i doesnt know what was copys and so you cant repair it.
I can sent you a homemade example, but its unnecessary because you can reproduce it easily by yourself!
Greetings from Germany
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CoS2000
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Hi,
i think i found the reason for that behavior. The QXW Files are simple XML Files. When i open the Save File in a XML or Texteditor, i can see that all copys of my sequences are bound on the same hidden scene, created by QLC+. The FixtureVal is set in this hidden scene. So when i edit the FixtureVal in one of the sequence copys, it changes the FixtureVal in the BoundScene and so it changes for all copys of a sequence that are bound on that scene...
Like i say - The Copys are not independently! This is not good - It explains most Problems i had in the work with QLC+!
I've made a test:
Step 1: Make a Sequence with a moving head with all ediable values (tilt, pan, shutter and so on)
Step 2: Make a Copy of this Squence
Step 3: Save => test.qxw
Step 4: Edit test.qxw - Now i see my 2 Sequences and a Hidden Secene (Name: New Scene), at that the 2 Sequences are bound to
Step 5: Make the Hidden Scene visible
Step 6: Reload the Save with QLC - Now i see the Scene that was hidden
Step 7: Editing this Scene, edits all Sequences too - Editing a Sequence, QLC edits the Scene too, so all changes (deselect tilt und adding a device to a sequence) are made for ALL Sequences...
Its better so save all Informations to the sequence itself and dont bound it on a scene. If you absolutely need this Scene - Create a new one when a Sequence is copied and bound it to that new scene, so that all seqence copys are indipendent from their parent sequence!
Hope this helps?!
Greetings from Germany
i think i found the reason for that behavior. The QXW Files are simple XML Files. When i open the Save File in a XML or Texteditor, i can see that all copys of my sequences are bound on the same hidden scene, created by QLC+. The FixtureVal is set in this hidden scene. So when i edit the FixtureVal in one of the sequence copys, it changes the FixtureVal in the BoundScene and so it changes for all copys of a sequence that are bound on that scene...
Like i say - The Copys are not independently! This is not good - It explains most Problems i had in the work with QLC+!
I've made a test:
Step 1: Make a Sequence with a moving head with all ediable values (tilt, pan, shutter and so on)
Step 2: Make a Copy of this Squence
Step 3: Save => test.qxw
Step 4: Edit test.qxw - Now i see my 2 Sequences and a Hidden Secene (Name: New Scene), at that the 2 Sequences are bound to
Step 5: Make the Hidden Scene visible
Step 6: Reload the Save with QLC - Now i see the Scene that was hidden
Step 7: Editing this Scene, edits all Sequences too - Editing a Sequence, QLC edits the Scene too, so all changes (deselect tilt und adding a device to a sequence) are made for ALL Sequences...
Its better so save all Informations to the sequence itself and dont bound it on a scene. If you absolutely need this Scene - Create a new one when a Sequence is copied and bound it to that new scene, so that all seqence copys are indipendent from their parent sequence!
Hope this helps?!
Greetings from Germany
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CoS2000
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Hi,
i've made a simple test.xqw for you.
There are 2 Sequences in it. In my German Version called "Neue Sequenz 1" and "Neue Sequenz 1 (Kopie)". As you can see the second sequence (Neue Sequenz 1 (Kopie)) is a copy from Neue Sequenz 1!
In both Sequences i use 2 Devices: Color Bar 1 and Color Bar 2...
For example: Edit "Neue Sequenz 1" and delete the Device "Color Bar 1". After that, the Color Bar 1 will be deleted in all 2 Sequences, although you deleted it only in 1 Sequence!
Same Problem occures with adding a Device. After Color Bar 1 is deleted in all 2 Sequences, add "Color Bar 1" in one of the both Sequences - You will see its now added to both sequences again!
I add the test.qxw as attachment to this post...
To answer your Question:
I use QLC+ Ver. 4.11.0 on Windows 7
If you cant reproduce after testing it with my testfile - i can make a picture sequence, that shows the problem!
Greetings from Germany
i've made a simple test.xqw for you.
There are 2 Sequences in it. In my German Version called "Neue Sequenz 1" and "Neue Sequenz 1 (Kopie)". As you can see the second sequence (Neue Sequenz 1 (Kopie)) is a copy from Neue Sequenz 1!
In both Sequences i use 2 Devices: Color Bar 1 and Color Bar 2...
For example: Edit "Neue Sequenz 1" and delete the Device "Color Bar 1". After that, the Color Bar 1 will be deleted in all 2 Sequences, although you deleted it only in 1 Sequence!
Same Problem occures with adding a Device. After Color Bar 1 is deleted in all 2 Sequences, add "Color Bar 1" in one of the both Sequences - You will see its now added to both sequences again!
I add the test.qxw as attachment to this post...
To answer your Question:
I use QLC+ Ver. 4.11.0 on Windows 7
If you cant reproduce after testing it with my testfile - i can make a picture sequence, that shows the problem!
Greetings from Germany
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Latest sources mean the latest source code for QLC+. It is continuously developed and you can try them out using a test version, see this thread to download one.
Please note that it is not recommended to use a test version in a production environment.
Please note that it is not recommended to use a test version in a production environment.