After loading a show, when you open a scene the channels groups are always at 0, while the single fixtures show the correct values.
This doesn't happen when you recall a scene edited in the current session, but only when you load a new show.
My problem with it is that everytime I want to adjust a scene using the groups, the lights fade from 0 to the level.
This is not possible during a performance, and even during a rehearsal is quite distracting for the performers that need "peace" on stage.
I use the channels groups otherwise all the process would be too slow to follwo a rehearsal.
channels groups
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Massimo Callegari
Channel groups are for editing, and not for live performance.
If you want to have groups in operate mode then create a Virtual Console slider with the channels you intend to control.
If you want to have groups in operate mode then create a Virtual Console slider with the channels you intend to control.
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giacomo
And if you want to lower an intensity channel?
As I've understood, what you suggest can only add a value.
(and I should already know which grups I'll need)
By myself I've found interesting to edit a scene in the function editor when I'm in operate mode: the scene it's already set in blind mode and when I reload it in the cue list it follows its own timing (in case I want to have a smooth fade to the new level).
The good side of this approach is that I can store all the chages I've done.
Speaking of theatre/dance, every time I play in a new venue I need to adapt almost all the cues - because every venues have different fixtures (and patch) and often I can't have the same rigging positions - mostly I must to do it during the rehearsal with the performers because I won't have any further occasions.
This is way I'm asking you for a quick way to adjust the cues, and I think the channels groups could be a good solution.
Thanks.
As I've understood, what you suggest can only add a value.
(and I should already know which grups I'll need)
By myself I've found interesting to edit a scene in the function editor when I'm in operate mode: the scene it's already set in blind mode and when I reload it in the cue list it follows its own timing (in case I want to have a smooth fade to the new level).
The good side of this approach is that I can store all the chages I've done.
Speaking of theatre/dance, every time I play in a new venue I need to adapt almost all the cues - because every venues have different fixtures (and patch) and often I can't have the same rigging positions - mostly I must to do it during the rehearsal with the performers because I won't have any further occasions.
This is way I'm asking you for a quick way to adjust the cues, and I think the channels groups could be a good solution.
Thanks.
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Massimo Callegari
Well, I'm not practical of theatre shows, but knowing a bit the software I would use a different approach.
Given that the fixture remapping is almost complete (you can already test it if you compile from sources) you can do the following:
AT HOME:
- add the common fixtures you're gonna use in theatres (PCs, scanners, moving heads, etc...). Just a few (2-3) will work.
- prepare a rich Virtual Console with a number of sliders in level mode to control all the channels you're probably going to use:
* a slider for PCs dimmers
* 3 sliders for RGB channels
* some XY PAD for scanners/moving heads positioning
* etc...
- add the above to a Frame, so you can collapse it when you won't use it
- add a Cue List and start filling it with the functions you're gonna use (red scene, blue scene, green scene, light on center, lights up, etc...)
BEFORE the show:
- remap your fixtures to the new fixtures you find into the theatre. Fixture remapping allows 1-to-many remapping. So you can remap 1 PC to 30 PCs, keeping the original scene values on the corresponding channels
- go to the Virtual Console and create a new empty Cue list and add an empty chaser to it
- start adjusting your scenes one by one with the sliders/XY pads you created before
- every time you're happy with the new scene click on DMX dump and save the adjusted scene into the chaser of the new Cue list
The preparation of a show might take a few hours, but once done you have a basic show created at home remapped and adjusted for a complete stage full of lights.
No need to tweak the scenes during the show, which is risky and slow.
Anyway this is just how I would do it. As I said, not a professional.
Hope it helps !
Given that the fixture remapping is almost complete (you can already test it if you compile from sources) you can do the following:
AT HOME:
- add the common fixtures you're gonna use in theatres (PCs, scanners, moving heads, etc...). Just a few (2-3) will work.
- prepare a rich Virtual Console with a number of sliders in level mode to control all the channels you're probably going to use:
* a slider for PCs dimmers
* 3 sliders for RGB channels
* some XY PAD for scanners/moving heads positioning
* etc...
- add the above to a Frame, so you can collapse it when you won't use it
- add a Cue List and start filling it with the functions you're gonna use (red scene, blue scene, green scene, light on center, lights up, etc...)
BEFORE the show:
- remap your fixtures to the new fixtures you find into the theatre. Fixture remapping allows 1-to-many remapping. So you can remap 1 PC to 30 PCs, keeping the original scene values on the corresponding channels
- go to the Virtual Console and create a new empty Cue list and add an empty chaser to it
- start adjusting your scenes one by one with the sliders/XY pads you created before
- every time you're happy with the new scene click on DMX dump and save the adjusted scene into the chaser of the new Cue list
The preparation of a show might take a few hours, but once done you have a basic show created at home remapped and adjusted for a complete stage full of lights.
No need to tweak the scenes during the show, which is risky and slow.
Anyway this is just how I would do it. As I said, not a professional.
Hope it helps !
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giacomo
Thanks for the suggestion and the fixture remapping.
I've worked a bit in live music and compared to theatre the purposes are completely different, the rhythm is different.
In theatre an intensity change of 5% often means something, sometimes a cue stays for 10/20 minutes.
Maybe there can be a better way to achieve it, but I believe that the goal of my approach is what we really need in theatre: it's too important to do corrections with and for the performers on the stage, it's a primary function the ability to change everything.
(why not? sometimes a cue works in a space but not in a different one)
I'm tring to use qlcplus for a real production in these days and I want to support it. I'm really waiting for the new progress.
regards
I've worked a bit in live music and compared to theatre the purposes are completely different, the rhythm is different.
In theatre an intensity change of 5% often means something, sometimes a cue stays for 10/20 minutes.
Maybe there can be a better way to achieve it, but I believe that the goal of my approach is what we really need in theatre: it's too important to do corrections with and for the performers on the stage, it's a primary function the ability to change everything.
(why not? sometimes a cue works in a space but not in a different one)
I'm tring to use qlcplus for a real production in these days and I want to support it. I'm really waiting for the new progress.
regards